the john boehners and the barack obamas they don't have skin in the game. >> they are shooting for numbers to look good but they don't pay the price of the mistakes. you and i pay the price of their mistakes. >> let me bring up your book. the book is called "anti-fragile, things that gain from disorder" you said think of the economy as being more of a cat than a washing machine. >> let me explain about anti-fragile. the opposite of fragile is not robust. it is not harmed and doesn't get better from shocks. there is a category of things called anti-fragile that gin from disorder. the biggest mistake is to think of the economy and society in terms of an engineering problem. it's not the same thing. your washing machine and your cat are different. your washing machine needs continue ois maintenance and repair. something organic, the human body, if you don't subject it to stressors, use it or lose it. if you don't object it to stressors you get atrophy and get weaker and blow up. >> i like what you say in the book. you say you favor businesses that benefit from their own mistakes. not those wh